Saturday, March 28, 2009

The $3 Billion Lie



On Thursday, Rick Borotsick, the stalwart of intellectual thought for the Hughgressive Hughservatives, rose in the House, once again, to prove that he is either a liar, or an idiot.

According to Rickie, Manitoba depends on the Federal government for 40% of its Revenue:
"why is it that we depend for 40 percent of our revenue in the province of Manitoba on the federal government and on other provinces in this country"

Not to be outdone, Hughie rose a couple of questions later to prove that he is both a liar, and an idiot:
"We have gone grovelling to provinces like B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Newfoundland for handouts in order to get by from year to year. Those handouts are now at over $4 billion, more than double the amount of reliance that we had in 1999."

Gentlemen.

The Revenue for the Province of Manitoba in the 2009/2010 Budget year is going to be about $12.8 Billion.

The Equalization Payment is going to be about $2 Billion.

That's about 16% of total Revenue for the Equalization Payment. For the arthmatically challenged, the lie is a difference of about 24%.

For the Equalization Payment to make up 40% of the Revenue of the Province of Manitoba, the Equalization payment would have to be a shade over $5 Billion.!

That's a $3 Billion lie you folks have got going there.

And to think that Hugh has the nerve to call the 2009/2010, "phoney". pfffft!

Now. I recognize that, sticking to the literal, the Honourable Members are refering to _all_ Federal Transfers, not just the Equalization Transfer.

In that instance, the total of all Federal Transfers makes up nearly 30% of the Provincial Budget. A lie with a smaller percentage, only a $2 Billion lie in the literal.

However, the wording of their questions and the context in which they were set is clearly an attempt to mislead the general public to beleive that all Federal Transfers equals Equalization. There is a significant difference, for all Provinces receive Federal Transfers. Even the Land of Milk and Honey and our sister Province to the immediate left of us.

The problem here is that it appears that your lies mislead good-natured and trusting bloggers like my friend over at Hacks and Wonks. Who hear a number like 40% at a pre-Budget "Consultation" and they run with it.

So the Equalization makes up about 16% of Total Revenue and all Federal Transfers make up about 30% of Total Revenue. Looking into our time machine, we see that this has been the case for decades. On average, during the Filmon years, Federal Transfers made up about 34% of the Total Revenue.

There is no shame in the Equalization program, we're not blessed with a gazillion barrels of oil, nor are we located next to major markets, the pupose of the program is to offset these disparaties, Gary said it best:

I have always been one who has said that equalization is one of the fundamental principles that binds this country together. We have so many disparities region to region, province to province that if it were not for something as dramatic and as important as equalization, you would find that there would be essentially two classes of citizens, at least two classes of citizens in this country, and we do not want this.

We did not want that as a province back in the '60s when equalization was brought into being. It was brought into being through the discussions, I am told, of Premier Lesage of Quebec and Premier Roblin of Manitoba. They conceived this as a response to that fear of having different classes of citizens in the different provinces. Equalization has served us well, and in every single discussion I have been engaged in, whether it was Meech Lake, whether it was Charlottetown, I argued that we had to have protection for equalization as part of that."


Filmon was right on that one.


9 comments:

Chucky said...

Actually ``Brian,

according to the budget documents (page 184 of http://www.gov.mb.ca/finance/budget08/papers/r_and_e.pdf )

Federal transfers make up 36.7 per cent of Manitoba revenues.`

So you're slightly further removed from reality than Rick Borotsik. How's that feel?

Brian said...

Uhhhh, OK.

So I go to the 2008 Budget, Estimates of Expenditure and Revenue, Page 184 and the figures provided there are for "Other Revenue" from: Legislative Assembly, Executive Council, Aboriginal and Nothern Affairs, Advanced Educaiton and Literacy, Agriculture, Food and Rural Initatives, Civil Serivce Commission and Competitiveness, Training and Trade.

So, Chucky,

my friend,

care to try again?

BTW, why are you referencing the 2008 Budget when we're talking about the 2009 Budget.

I mean the 2008 Budget is OK as well, but I think using last years numbers when this years are available, and are the focus of the topic; well, it just kind of reflects poorly on your alleged arguement.

With that said though, with respect to last year's Budget. Let's see, Total Revenue of $12.3 Billion, Equalization Transfer of $2 Billion, which means that the Equalization Transfer made up 16.3% of Revenues.

Dosen't close the gap now does it?

Chucky said...

My apologies - wrong link. Here's the right one, and if you look at page 181 of the .pdf document (which has 179 as the page number on the top of the page for some reason) you'll see that federal revenues are indeed 36.7 per cent as I stated:

http://www.gov.mb.ca/finance/budget09/papers/r_and_e.pdf


Don't drink the Kool-Aid.

Chucky said...

One more thing...your $12.3 million figure is the summary budget which covers Manitoba Hydro and other entities that are not core governemnt. Hydro revenues go to Hydro, not the government, unless the government takes a dividend like it did a few years back.
Gov revenues are $10 billion, not $12.3 billion.

Chucky said...

One more thing before beddy-bye time, you really have to drink a lot of Kool-aid to talks about nine or 10 alleged balanced budgets.
Let's ask the A-G, shall we?:
http://www.oag.mb.ca/news_releases/NewsRelPubAccountsJan2004.pdf

I like your insights on occasion "Brian", but your lack of objectivity hurts you.

Brian said...

Very good Chucky, you have identified that the Total Revenue for the Province of Manitoba is ~$12 Billion. Yep, Core Government is lower, but we're talking about Total Government Revenue, soooooooo, $12 Billion it is.

And, the Equalization Transfer is ~$2 Billion, so even if we went with the Core Government Revenue, then the percentage would be ~19%.

Yes. Total Government Revenue does include Hydro. It also includes the Hydro Debt and the nearly $3 Billion previously unfunded pension liability that this government has put on the books where it belongs.

Hughie, Rickie, and other Tory hacks wish to speak of all Federal Transfers as if they are all Equalization, which they are not.

It's kind of like attempting to whittle down Total Government Revenue to inflate the number even higher.

I mean, why stick with just Core Government Revenue, why not say that all Federal Transfers are evil and special to Manitoba - and then reduce Manitoba's Revenue to only those monies that are collected from Manitoba Residents and Business owned by Manitobans. You could probably come up with a number of 95% or 100%

The bottom line is that the Equalization Transfer makes up ~16% of Total Manitoba Government Revenue.

That's a good memo from the Auditor that you found, (http://www.oag.mb.ca/news_releases/NewsRelPubAccountsJan2004.pdf
), little dated, but it's a good one and I like it because it mentions the then $2 Billion in unfunded Pension liabilities, it also states that the Budget was balanced.

You will also then recognize that, ultimately, the Budget was balanced. To quote Mr. Singleton (the Auditor General), "I acknowledge that the Government has continued to
comply with Balanced Budget legislation"

So. One more time.

Ten consecutive Balanced Budgets with Tax Cuts.

How does that line go again......

OOOOOOHHHHHH YEEAAAHHHHH!!!!

http://newt.org/Portals/0/UltraPhotoGallery/706/KoolAid.jpg

Chucky said...

Sorry Brian. I have to disagree with you on two things:

1) I can't in good conscience call a deficit budget balanced.

2) When I calculate how much the government depends on the feds, I can't include Crown corps that have their own revenue sources. Transfers aren't meant for Crown corps. They're for government health and social programs, infrastructure work etc.
Perhaps the best apples-to-apples comparison is from here, where per capita, Manitoba transfers per capita are much higher than other western provinces.


http://www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/mtp-eng.asp#Manitoba

Brian said...

Hey, np,

When the Audior reviews the Budget, she will agree that it is balanced.

So, it's ten consecutive balanced bydgets with tax cuts.

One must remeber that the previous government couldn't even get the Auditor to sign-off on their final couple of Budgets because Team Filmon did not include the $2 Billion liability - a liability that this government has brought out from under the table, and onto the books.

When one is examing the historical record of Federal Transfers, Manitoba has traditionally received 34%-36% of Core Government Revenue from Federal Transfers. Nothing has really changed in that equation.

What I take great exception to, is Tory hacks trying to spin all Federal Transfers as being the Equalization payment. This is not the case. Even the Land of Milk and Honey and our sisters to the immediate left of us get Federal Transfers.

It just pisses me off.

Your are right, Federal Transfers are not meant for Crown Corporations, and the Crowns receive no monies from Federal Transfers.

However, they are Government Reporting Entities, thus, revenue from the Crowns is reported as part of Total Government Revenue.

So, at the end of the day, the Equalization payment still only makes up about 16% of Total Government Revenue, not the 40% that Hughie and Rickie would have one believe.

Omega said...

Seems like no matter how much or how well you explain something, Chucky will manage to disagree on principle.

And he's talking about kool aid?! What an asinine and pompous claim.